Thursday, June 28, 2007
“When the U.S. Senate brought the Amnesty bill back up this week, they declared war on the American people. This act created a crisis of confidence in their government. Thankfully, the American people won today,” said Senator DeMint. “This is remarkable because it shows that Americans are engaged and they care deeply about their country. They care enough for their country to get mad and to fight for it, and that’s the most important thing of all. Americans made phone calls and sent letters, and convinced the Senate to stop this bill.”
“The Senate rejected this bill and the heavy-handed tactics used to ram it through. Americans do not want more of the same – amnesty and broken promises on the border. Americans want legislation to be written in public – not in secret – and they want Congress to engage in an open and fair debate.”
“There is a better way forward without this bill. The President has said that the border security measures can be implemented over the next 18 months, and they can be done under current law. Now the Administration needs to prove it and stop holding border security hostage for amnesty.”
“Once we have secured the border and restored trust with the American people, we can begin to take additional steps.”
He's absolutely right. And, now it's about time to turn on leeches like Harry Reid and Bennett R-UT, and eliminate their treasonous carcasses from government. Maybe we can't eliminate them from the Church but we sure as heck can boot them from office. Never, ever forget what they tried to do to our county.
Thursday, June 21, 2007
This is true, thankfully. But I ask you, how are illegals any different? They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course has no jurisdiction whatever in the matter.
Why doesn't it also follow then that if members are found to be in this country illegally that they are disciplined by the Church? I'm not saying they must be excommunicated but clearly they cannot be found to be in good standing because they are in direct violation of the civil law and they are without question in violation of the law of this Church unless committing crimes, demonstrating disdain for the 12th Article of Faith, lying, stealing and defrauding are considered somehow in compliance with the law of the Church.
We should not be baptizing unrepentant such people any more than we should baptize an unrepentant polygamist.
Monday, June 18, 2007
Isn't it ironic that the same young men who show up at a Stake dance here in the USA improperly attired are not admitted until they change their clothes so they meet the dress standard for the dance but when they show up improperly attired or groomed for sacrament administration they are allowed to proceed. Something seriously amiss here.
Now, lest you think I am arguing for some sort of uniform, I'm not. But at a minimum the standards in For the Strength of Youth ought to be adhered to which means conservative dress and appearance avoiding extremes as the word "extremes" applies in the LDS community not in the world. There is no reason why for instance they should not all wear white shirts ( or possibly a pastel dress shirt) and ties with shoes (not sneakers) and dress slacks not jeans or cargo pants.
So the question for the day is: Which should require the greater attention to dress standards, a dance or administration of the sacrament? If you get this wrong you need help.
"Integrity in individuals and corporate bodies is not to ask, “What will others think of me, and my practices?” but, "Is it proper? Is it right? Would the Master approve?" … Integrity in man should bring inner peace, sureness of purpose, and security in action. Lack of it brings the reverse: disunity, fear, sorrow, unsureness."
This is precisely what we see with illegals in our nation and why we should not be baptizing criminals or permitting their attendance at the temple before they repent for what they have done, they utterly lack integrity. Because they have done wrong, intentionally and do not seek to repent for it they suffer fear, sorrow and unsureness, and rightly so.
Wednesday, June 13, 2007
"serious transgression is defined as a deliberate and major offense against morality. It includes (but is not limited to) attempted murder, rape, forcible sexual abuse, spouse abuse, intentional serious physical injury of others, adultery, fornication, homosexual relations, deliberate abandonment of family responsibilities, robbery, burglary, theft, embezzlement, sale of illegal drugs, fraud, perjury, and false swearing. "
It also says: "A disciplinary council must be held for a member who demonstrates a pattern of serious transgressions, especially if prior transgressions have resulted in Church discipline. "
"A disciplinary council must be held for a member who commits a serious transgression that is widely known. "
Hmm... since all illegals are here under a pattern of behavior which includes: false swearing and fraud -any documents that are false such as fake IDs and fake SSNs or other false documentation necessary to obtain a job, and since they are not legally entitled to work here and receive the benefits of this country, they are defrauding employers and stealing governmental services and benefits, it is pretty clear that to the extent any such are members of the Church they should be disciplined by the Church. As the status of many of these folks is in fact widely known in the Church this constitutes yet another reason for Church discipline.
Clearly this is behavior which is not consistent with membership in the Church. It occurs to me that the scriptures state that for the purposes of salvation all men are required to enter in at the strait gate and that repentance precedes baptism. We are all to show by our walk and talk that we are worthy of it ...unless of course we happen not to be citizens of the U.S. in which case, fraud, perjury, false swearing, theft are no longer matters implicating worthiness.
Mr. Bush and all you shamnesty types need to listen up:
The American People Demand Enforcement of Existing Law! The Status Quo Is Indeed unacceptable, we demand enforcement! As for LDS bleeding hearts get real. People who violate criminal statutes intentionally and strive to cover it up and continue the violations are no more likely to obey the laws of God than they are to obey the laws of man and as such are unworthy of membership in the Church. Let them first accept the first four principles of the Gospel the second of which is repentance, after that they can be baptized and then accept the 12th Article of Faith and show it by their lawful compliance with the moral and constitutional laws of the land.
Monday, June 11, 2007
Thursday, June 7, 2007
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law unless we are not citizens of the United States in which case we believe in becoming a law unto ourselves and in committing multiple state and federal crimes including fraud and theft in order to gain money, services and benefits to which we consider ourselves entitled. We also believe that our lying, deceit and theft of services and benefits is not a matter of unworthiness and that repentance before baptism does not apply to us."
of course a slight re-write of the 13th Article of Faith is also necessary:
13 We believe in being honest (unless you ask us about our real identity and status), true (to ourselves and our personal interests above all else), chaste, benevolent, virtuous (except for lying, deceiving and stealing services and benefits we aren't entitled to), and in doing good to all men ("all men" meaning to ourselves first and foremost we have no plans to abide by the laws of the land that could result in us not getting what we want); indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things (such as believing that we are above the law and entitled to special front of the line treatment not given to people from other countries who are trying to immigrate lawfully), we hope all things (like hoping not to get caught in our crimes or asked in a temple recommend interview a question such as "are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?), we have endured many things (much of which we brought on ourselves by coming here illegally, lying and seeking to maintain false identities), and hope to be able to endure all things (otherwise we'll get deported). If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things (But not in our own country, we seek them only in the U.S.).
Tuesday, June 5, 2007
We should obey the laws of God and men, honoring our membership in the Church and our citizenship in the nation in which we live.
(Presumably then, disobeying the laws of men is dishonorable. And participating in helping someone else to violate the law is equally dishonorable)
President Smith, who had witnessed the mob violence of Nauvoo, often spoke of the importance of the rule of law in a civilized society. He and his Counselors in the First Presidency urged the Saints to be law-abiding and loyal citizens wherever they lived and to be faithful in their allegiance to their governments. On one occasion when a government official expressed contempt for the United States Constitution, President Smith countered: "Latter-day Saints cannot tolerate such a spirit as this. It is anarchy. It means destruction. It is the spirit of mobocracy, and the Lord knows we have suffered enough from mobocracy, and we do not want any more of it. … We cannot afford to yield to that spirit or contribute to it in the least degree. We should stand with a front like flint against every spirit or species of contempt or disrespect for the constitution of our country and the constitutional laws of our land."
(Wow. He gets it! We are seeing a lot of mobocracy these days on the border. The reconquistas and illegals overrunning the border, getting jobs with false documentation, protesting and threatening citizens who oppose their illegal entry and status is a perfect example of mobocracy)
Let us do right, keep the laws of God, and the laws of man, honor our membership in the kingdom of God, our citizenship in the nation of which we are a part, and then God will sustain and preserve us, and we will continue to grow as we have done from the beginning, only our future growth will be accelerated and be far greater than it has been in the past.
Teach your children to honor the law of God and the law of the state, and the law of our country. Teach them to respect and hold in honor those who are chosen by the people to stand at their head and execute justice and administer the law. Teach them to be loyal to their country, loyal to righteousness and uprightness and honor, and thereby they will grow up to be men and women choice above all the men and women of the world.
(A little better teaching by Mexican parents and we wouldn't be having this problem. These outlaws coming here are neither loyal to Mexican law or U.S. law. They are loyal only to themselves.)
To be a Latter-day Saint in very deed is to be one of the best of God’s people or children in the world. … A good Latter-day Saint will be a good citizen, no matter whether he be a subject of Great Britain, the United States, Holland, Germany or any other country in the world. If he be a good Latter-day Saint he is bound to be a good citizen of the land which gave him birth or which he has adopted as his home. … A citizen of God’s kingdom should stand foremost among the best of God’s people throughout all the world.
How can we be good citizens if we actively support, sympathize with or aid outlaws?
If patriotism and loyalty are qualities manifested in times of peace, by just, temperate, benevolent, industrious and virtuous living; in times of trial, by patience, resistance only by lawful means to real or fancied wrongs, and by final submission to the laws of the land, though involving distress and sorrow; and in time of war, by willingness to fight the battle of the nation,—then, unquestionably, are the "Mormon" people patriotic and loyal.
Well then illegals aren't "Mormon," people are they? They certainly don't submit to the laws of the land nor is their resistance through legal means. Instead they commit crimes and compound them through further crimes and deceit. Hardly LDS behavior.
"Mormonism" is in the world for the world’s good. Teaching truth, inculcating morality, guarding the purity of the home, honoring authority and government, fostering education, and exalting man and woman, our religion denounces crime, and is a foe to tyranny in every form. "Mormonism" seeks to uplift, not to destroy society.
(lawlessness is a form of imposed tyranny incidentally and the result of their illegal immigration threatens the stability of America and its society.)
Church members are commanded by Divine revelation … : "Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that obeys the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land." [D&C 58:21.]
Yup. And there is this:
N. Eldon Tanner, "The Laws of God," Ensign, Nov 1975, 82
I wish to join wholeheartedly with the millions of people who appreciate this country in which we live and are determined to do what they can to maintain and strengthen the principles of democracy established by our Founding Fathers. To do this, it is most important that we be loyal and law-abiding citizens.
Some time ago a young man said to me, "Why do we have so many laws and rules and regulations? Why can’t we just be free to do what we want to do? The Church teaches that man is that he might have joy, and that the greatest gift of God to man is free agency."
I tried to explain to him that everything in the universe, and the universe itself as organized by a divine Creator, is governed by laws, known as the laws of nature; and that we must have laws of the land, or of man, so that we might have order and protect the rights of mankind and punish those who infringe on the rights of others. I gave him several examples of what I was referring to. Then we talked at some length about the laws of God and how important it is that we keep his commandments.
Without going further into the details of our conversation, I should like today to deal with the majesty of law as it affects mankind. For the sake of this discussion let us divide it into three subheadings: First, the laws of nature; second, the laws of man, or the laws of the land; third, the laws of God as they pertain to our salvation and exaltation.
Now, regarding the laws of the land, or the laws of man, it is necessary that we be governed by laws, which are made not alone to curb the evildoer, but to protect the rights of all. Let me quote from the Doctrine and Covenants:
"We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.
"We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.
"We believe that all governments necessarily require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people if a republic, or the will of the sovereign." (D&C 134:1–3.)
Our Twelfth Article of Faith [A of F 1:12] states: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
It is most important that all citizens be informed in matters of government; that they know and understand the laws of the land; and that they take an active part wherever possible in choosing and electing honest and wise men to administer the affairs of government.
There are many who question the constitutionality of certain acts passed by their respective governments, even though such laws have been established by the highest courts in the land as being constitutional, and they feel to defy and disobey the law.
Abraham Lincoln once observed: "Bad laws, if they exist, should be repealed as soon as possible; still, while they continue in force, they should be religiously observed." This is the attitude of the Church in regard to law observance. We agree with the author of the following statement:
"In reality the man who defies or flouts the law is like the proverbial fool who saws away the plank on which he sits, and a disrespect or disregard for law is always the first sign of a disintegrating society. Respect for law is the most fundamental of all social virtues, for the alternative to the rule of law is that of violence and anarchy." (Case and Comment, March/April issue, 1965, p. 20.)
There is no reason or justification for men to disregard or break the law or try to take it into their own hands. Christ gave us the great example of a law-abiding citizen when the Pharisees, trying to entangle him, as the scriptures say, asked him if it were lawful to give tribute money unto Caesar. After asking whose inscription was on the tribute money, and their acknowledgment that it was Caesar’s, he said: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s." (Matt. 22:21.)
It is the duty of citizens of any country to remember that they have individual responsibilities, and that they must operate within the law of the country in which they have chosen to live. I quote further from the Doctrine and Covenants:
"We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience." (D&C 134:5.)
How on earth can we be justified in baptizing people who so obviously don't respect the laws of man ordained by God and who lie, steal and deceive continually?
Key Utah Legislators oppose The Border Security and Immigration Reform Act of 2007
As Legislators in the Utah House of Representatives we stand together to call upon our Senate and Congressional delegation to oppose the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act which the senate will be hearing this week.
This so-called “Immigration Reform” highlights the failure of our federal government, to protect our sovereign rights as a country. Instead of enforcing the current laws passed by Congress and signed in 1996, the current Congress seems determined to vote on new laws that will most likely not be enforced. It is truly government at its worst.
(Yup it's a true kakistocracy)
The Border Security and Immigration Reform Act is nothing more than an all out blanket amnesty bill. The law is aimed at giving a complete, quick and lawful status to those who have broken our country’s laws, does the rule of law mean nothing anymore?
(Uh yeah, good question to all you LDS out there who think that illegals should be baptized and all you leaders of the Church who answer the question: Should illegals be baptized with: "their illegal immigrant status is not a matter for the Church, it's a matter for civil authority," which is of course a complete crock. It's not like you're unaware of their status. Civil authority in this case means police and federal border partol agents because these are criminals. Would you Church leaders answer the same question regarding a citizen of this country who wants to be baptized but who you are aware has committed theft and is planning to do so repeatedly? This is a fit baptismal candidate? Is that also a matter for civil authority? If so, distinguish it. It seems to me that people who come here illegally are guilty of federal crimes compounded by dishonesty in a host of ways and take benefits and jobs they are not entitled to. It is lying, theft and general dishonesty. For the Church to wink at illegals as though it is not a matter of worthiness is for the Church to act as a respecter of persons where some people are not required to be law abiding but others are. This is reminiscent of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others." No. I grew up in the Church. I read scripture and I understand the 12th Article of Faith. With regard to the "civil authority" answer and speaking as a former LDS Chruch leader that is a pile of horse puckey.)
We reject such amnesty, as a reward for those who have lied, cheated and broken the rules to get into our country. Such a plan gives preference to those who have violated the law over those who have followed the law and patiently await legal entrance into the United States. The message we are sending is that if you break the law you will be rewarded.
(I reject it too and note that unlike those who take the steps to come here legally, the illegals demonstrate a complete disrespect for our country, its laws and people.)
As Utah legislators, we must continually deal with the complete and utter failure of the federal government to secure our borders and enforce our current laws. It is incomprehensible that Congress would propose another amnesty plan after the dismal failure of the 1986 amnesty that has helped lead us to this point.
(Well here you guys have yourselves to blame, at least in part. If you felt this way then why accord these outlaws driving privileges? Instead, just deport them which is what ought to happen anyway.)
A recent estimation in regards to the cost of amnesty and earned citizenship for just 7.9 million amnesty recipients would be $2.4 trillion, a cost that must be born by the American taxpayer. It is unconscionable that any legislator could vote for a measure of this magnitude without knowing and debating all the costs involved.
(Massive entitlements given their Gadianton Robber like attitudes, isn't it? )
The Border Security and Immigration Reform Act has a few quality ideas which may help alleviate the current immigration problem, unfortunately most of the bill is corrupted with ideas such as amnesty and rewarding those who blatantly broke our laws. If this bill passes, we will never again be able to say to our children and grand-children that cheaters never win. It is our belief that no responsible elected official would consider voting for this fraud which is being offered as “comprehensive reform” in the U.S Senate.
ATTENTION BUSH and COMPANY WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND ENFORCEMENT FIRST.
Build a fence, keep them out. Deport all you can find over a 20 year period.
Friday, June 1, 2007
It seemes to me that they had control of the entire executive and legislative branches. It didn't need money to ensure passage, it needed a backbone.
Today in the paper I read that donations to the GOP are down 40% because of its position on illegal immigration. In my lifetime I have never witnessed such a massive disconnect between the ruling elite -senators, congressmen, the president and WE the People. The will of the people is eminently clear: WE WANT ENFORCEMENT FIRST. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN ANY SORT OF AMNESTY, EVER. WE WANT ILLEGALS EXPELLED AND IMMIGRANTS COMING HERE TO HAVE TO LEARN ENGLISH. WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT 100 MILLION OF THEM COMING HERE.
So since politicians only ever listen to money $$$$$ here is what I urge you to do. When the GOP solicitor calls looking for a donation print out and send in the bill on this page. It can only help.